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BECI'S UNITY 5 years, 5 months ago #41247

Tell me if I'm wrong but BECI's unity and relationship with the present administration is in a futile battle to put everything on ends meet. Complaints are everywhere. Dissastisfaction is mounting and the silence of the majority is a deafening cry for a change.

I'm just wondering what should we do to end the silent war? Everyone wants to set out their opinion on matters of the workplace but fear is a common denominator that curtails the opinion of the teachers.

Re: BECI'S UNITY 5 years, 5 months ago #41306

address your concerns to the person that you know can help you specially with what you know as "crucial matters". we don't want chaos in BECI, isn't it? Rumors being spread by Hasmin that she had addressed matters and that the female head is not doing anything about the problems are unjust, false and fabricated words. the admin and its staff also wants to be treated fairly rather than absorbing rumours and false accusations. teachers doesn't have anything to fear, so far nobody was fired even they know that some teachers do the " thing" with some of the students

Re: BECI'S UNITY 5 years, 5 months ago #41312

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Tell me if I'm wrong but BECI's unity and relationship with the present administration is in a futile battle to put everything on ends meet.

Of what percentage does this claim hold true?
If it's just a matter of 1 or 2 or mere a handful of people, then that doesnt count.

"A rotten fruit in a basketful of apples may spoil the rest"  could be true. However, futulity isnt its  last course of expectation unless the apple is elimiminated.


Complaints are everywhere.

A hasty generalization?

Dissastisfaction is mounting and the silence of the majority is a deafening cry for a change.

I'm just wondering what should we do to end the silent war? Everyone wants to set out their opinion on matters of the workplace but fear is a common denominator that curtails the opinion of the teachers.

There's nothing to fear if it's just a ventilation of opinions. And even if it shadows a suggestive opinion which must  be reasonable (that is, a win-win kind of advocacy), the admin listens.

Matters of opinion and opinionated matters are two different things.
 

Finally, let me share this quote from  Saint Francis of Assisi and perhaps it could broaden some perspectives.

"Lord grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
 
       the courage to change the things I can, and

                     the wisdom to know the difference."

 

with echoes of deliverance....

Re: BECI'S UNITY 5 years, 5 months ago #41333

I guess everybody wants to be treated fairly but I will put an opinion that both are not treating each other fairly in some ways.  ??? I'm just wondering what's all the root cause of these things. Do you want to guess?

Re: BECI'S UNITY 5 years, 5 months ago #41336

  Ahm what will the admin do when 60% of the school's teachers would like to unify themselves into a Company Union? I'm just curious about it. Maybe Spongebob can answer it?

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I guess everybody wants to be treated fairly but I will put an opinion that both are not treating each other fairly in some ways.  ??? I'm just wondering what's all the root cause of these things. Do you want to guess?


yeah.. some few disgruntled individuals who, like children, have not been given candies and to some

few who just couldnt  be satisfied on what they have;  and that instead of proving their worth, they

covet  the trees that  bear a lot of fruits and throw stones at them...   
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Re: BECI'S UNITY 5 years, 5 months ago #41339

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  Ahm what will the admin do when 60% of the school's teachers would like to unify themselves into a Company Union? I'm just curious about it. Maybe Spongebob can answer it?


Let me take the liberty, nevertheless. 

A common misconception of most Philippine labor unions  is the belief that the  worker owes his/her high standard of living to unions and to “humanitarian” labor laws.

This fallacy is disclaimed by basic  facts and principles of economics which are completely ignored by  the so-called labor leaders.

Employers don't just reduce salaries for cruelty , nor raise  them for  kindness. Salaries aren't based on  employer’s disposition. They are compensations for human labor and similar to all other things compensated, they are all based on the law of supply and demand.

Of course, everyworker has  a right to form  unions as long as no one is compelled to join such.

And of course there are indeed social benefits in having unions.

HOwever, there would also be certain set backs in the long run.

First,  it would be possible that a demand for an unreasonable higher rate of salary would affect the maintaining/operational  cost of a company thereby would result to bankruptcy of the business. Future projects and services could have been fulfilled if it were  not for this futile cause.

Another is downsizing in which its sure effect is unemployment.

As a whole the community  deteriorates and  misses its potentiality to grow.

Meanwhile, for non-unionized  workers, life goes on. They  would certainly experience a kind of "bricklaying" in which they absorb and receive 2 or even 3 x their salary as time passes.

In a  free economy,  no union group or whatsoever have  the right  to let  the rest of the community suffer.

Its really unfortunate that most  unions failed to achieve real demands to  raise the standard of their living. This is because the true culprit is  inflation. 

Progress  has only one main source. It's in the  mind. Incidentally, it lasts  only within  the range of freedom in making fruitful thoughts into fruitful action.


Although, this isnt our case, as a matter of opinion.

But still the boiling point is where it truly boils

or does it? 
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Re: BECI'S UNITY 5 years, 5 months ago #41354

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  Ahm what will the admin do when 60% of the school's teachers would like to unify themselves into a Company Union? I'm just curious about it. Maybe Spongebob can answer it?


As the proverbial saying goes, curiousity kills the cat.

What's worse is the fate of  other cats  that  rushed impulsively in the middle of a highway

and  ended up squashed with intestines spilling all over the road.

Now that isnt a very nice metaphor, is it? 
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Re: BECI'S UNITY 5 years, 5 months ago #41391

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I guess everybody wants to be treated fairly but I will put an opinion that both are not treating each other fairly in some ways.  ??? I'm just wondering what's all the root cause of these things. Do you want to guess?


yeah.. some few disgruntled individuals who, like children, have not been given candies and to some

few who just couldnt  be satisfied on what they have;  and that instead of proving their worth, they

covet  the trees that  bear a lot of fruits and throw stones at them...   



I'll try to guess...

I think they need fairplay... To be given what everyone is due, social justice in other words.

The teachers are not merely asking for candies, they deserve them. They worked for it.

And mind you, the tree you were pointing out, although planted by somebody else was nourished and taken cared of by the teachers... They took part in it's growth, it's just appropriate that they should be handed the fruits willingly (ones that they deserve) and I think they don't need to resort to throwing stones as you claim... That is depriving them of what they own.

Re: BECI'S UNITY 5 years, 5 months ago #41392

  Ah that's a long lecture on the Union hehehehe. Well, I bet the boiling point of having a union is having a bargaining tool for both labor and capital isn't it? And you are right sir, it is true that no one is compelled to join a Union, but what if someone organized it? Ofcourse, the company cannot undermine that right isn't it?

I believe that a lot of people especially employers are not so happy to hear about labor unions in their premises. To them labor unions are the bane of chaos. But why did the constitution gave it a sacred ground? Because the government believe that the economy of this country is based mainly on both the labor force and the employers. So that means to say that both are given equal rights on this union. Both labor and capital stand together within the Labor union.

  Do you think the administration will give their employees the chance to organize this union? What do you think sir?

Re: BECI'S UNITY 5 years, 5 months ago #41397

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I guess everybody wants to be treated fairly but I will put an opinion that both are not treating each other fairly in some ways.  ??? I'm just wondering what's all the root cause of these things. Do you want to guess?


yeah.. some few disgruntled individuals who, like children, have not been given candies and to some

few who just couldnt  be satisfied on what they have;  and that instead of proving their worth, they

covet  the trees that  bear a lot of fruits and throw stones at them...   



I'll try to guess...

I think they need fairplay... To be given what everyone is due, social justice in other words.

The teachers are not merely asking for candies, they deserve them. They worked for it.

Aren't we getting what we deserve?

In any learning academy be it in elementary or graduate school, the faculty's rate is usually based on qualifications and certified documentations.. LET, TESOL holders surely has a better pay than others.

But then, everything is still contract bound, that is,  if the policy says so.


And mind you, the tree you were pointing out, although planted by somebody else was nourished and taken cared of by the teachers...

True enough. And we were compensated.

They took part in it's growth, it's just appropriate that they should be handed the fruits willingly (ones that they deserve)

Haven't they?

and I think they don't need to resort to throwing stones as you claim... That is depriving them of what they own.

No one is being deprived as long as everyone is wholeheartedly doing his/her duties responsibly and

no one transgresses what is prescribed within his/her role.

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Re: BECI'S UNITY 5 years, 5 months ago #41399

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  Ah that's a long lecture on the Union hehehehe. Well, I bet the boiling point of having a union is having a bargaining tool for both labor and capital isn't it? And you are right sir, it is true that no one is compelled to join a Union, but what if someone organized it? Ofcourse, the company cannot undermine that right isn't it?

It's so easy to say than done. In truth, it requires more than manpower and legal machinery. And the management isnt ignorant of all these matters or labor union competencies.

A thorough  analysis of the contract and status of all the employees would tell you if it's viable or not.

 
Ofcourse, the company cannot undermine that right isn't it?

Everything remains to be seen first.

If all the proper supporting papers and documentations are at hand, there wouldnt be any hindrance to it.

I believe that a lot of people especially employers are not so happy to hear about labor unions in their premises. To them labor unions are the bane of chaos. But why did the constitution gave it a sacred ground? Because the government believe that the economy of this country is based mainly on both the labor force (if youre talking about massive labor force, yes) and the employers.

So that means to say that both are given equal rights on this union.

Both labor and capital stand together within the Labor union. (this assertion is vague)

Do you think the administration will give their employees the chance to organize this union? What do
you think sir?

Is there really a need, in the first place?

As i've said, this requires more than manpower and legal machinery.. 

If things could be settled amicably (which is possible) ,

theres no need to go through the temerity of organizing it.

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Re: BECI'S UNITY 5 years, 5 months ago #41482

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I guess everybody wants to be treated fairly but I will put an opinion that both are not treating each other fairly in some ways.  ??? I'm just wondering what's all the root cause of these things. Do you want to guess?


yeah.. some few disgruntled individuals who, like children, have not been given candies and to some

few who just couldnt  be satisfied on what they have;  and that instead of proving their worth, they

covet  the trees that  bear a lot of fruits and throw stones at them...   



I'll try to guess...

I think they need fairplay... To be given what everyone is due, social justice in other words.

The teachers are not merely asking for candies, they deserve them. They worked for it.

Aren't we getting what we deserve?

In any learning academy be it in elementary or graduate school, the faculty's rate is usually based on qualifications and certified documentations.. LET, TESOL holders surely has a better pay than others.

But then, everything is still contract bound, that is,  if the policy says so.


And mind you, the tree you were pointing out, although planted by somebody else was nourished and taken cared of by the teachers...

True enough. And we were compensated.

They took part in it's growth, it's just appropriate that they should be handed the fruits willingly (ones that they deserve)

Haven't they?

and I think they don't need to resort to throwing stones as you claim... That is depriving them of what they own.

No one is being deprived as long as everyone is wholeheartedly doing his/her duties responsibly and

no one transgresses what is prescribed within his/her role.




You got the point... proper compensation. Give everyone his due.

Every school has a policy and we don't have to compare our school to others because of course there will be worse and better ones, it's pointless.

And of course, I completely agree with you that nobody should transgress what is prescribed of him/her/it. If someone steps on your foot, you'd say ouch.

Re: BECI'S UNITY 5 years, 5 months ago #41797

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address your concerns to the person that you know can help you specially with what you know as "crucial matters". we don't want chaos in BECI, isn't it? Rumors being spread by Hasmin that she had addressed matters and that the female head is not doing anything about the problems are unjust, false and fabricated words. the admin and its staff also wants to be treated fairly rather than absorbing rumours and false accusations. teachers doesn't have anything to fear, so far nobody was fired even they know that some teachers do the " thing" with some of the students


first, i find it HIGHLY inappropriate to use other people's real names in this forum, unless they make this decision themselves. you also use a double standard by then referring to the "female head".

part of the problem is people don't know who the person is that can help. certain people who SHOULD be helping, who are DESIGNATED as the people to bring concerns to have not fulfilled thieir role.

because of that, tensions have grown due to inaction. warning signs have been ignored. outright declarations have been ignored. and last week saw an escalation to a higher level. the higher level has initially shown positive signs. some of this has led to action. hopefully it continues to lead to further action. unfortunately, as in most arguments of this scale, one side has to take the highroad. between management and workers, its most appropriate that that highroad is taken by management.

that means not responding to meanness with meanness. instead just simply appologize and take immediate action to identify and correct the problems. avoid name-calling. don't try to discredit peops (especially by name on a publicly accessible website). and in case some arrogant teacher (perhaps you think that's me) makes unwanted comments, just be more mature than to respond with anything less than professionalism. sorry to say that management is more senior than the teachers, and needs to act more mature. i've seen signs that make me optimistic this could happen.

finally could i suggest finding a well-trusted teacher with no ties (perceived or real) to admin, to act as spokesperson for teachers? this would require teachers meeting IN PRIVATE to discuss and bring concerns ANONOMOUSLY to that person who would in turn bring them to the attention of the upper-level?

feel free to disagree. but please remember, spongebob, we know you are admin. i personally appreciate your representation, but your position requires maturity. i again offer the invitation to speak to you personally anytime you wish. and in light of my previous comments on maturity, i'd like to appologize for any inappropriate messages i've posted in regards to the management. they were fueled by the same anger and frustration which finally seems to have come to a head last week.

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Inasmuch as this is a public forum, no one is barred from exercising his/her liberty to react to posted messages whether addressed to him or not.

Hence, this writing is a fraction of a ripple effect.

Ladies and gentlemen of this website, tell me if there is a slight  indication of "using" names for an intent. If this is the statement being referred:


"Rumors being spread by Hasmin that she had addressed matters and that the female head is not doing anything about the problems are unjust, false and fabricated words."

By way of inference, the above sentence is  clear cut  telling of an information. Note that the operative word i used is "information",  not a mere ventilation of an opinion.

Witnesses could attest to this. 

Another point, the use of "female head" or "female staff" or "female friend" or mere using such modifier is classified as gender friendly. If the reference used is filled with preconceived judgment of the reader, the meaning is distorted. 

In actuality, it's the reader's response that ultimately becomes double standard and not the writing itself.   


"part of the problem is people don't know who the person is that can help. certain people who SHOULD be helping, who are DESIGNATED as the people to bring concerns to have not fulfilled thieir role."

This is an unrealistic claim.

How do we know that roles arent being fulfilled? Expecting a prompt action? This calls for superman!

In all kinds of pressing situations, whether happening in a country or in one's personal life, its commonsense that drastic change wouldnt  happen immediately (unless sense isnt very common).

Even the divine  God the  Almighty  doesnt promptly  respond to  critical situations that happen in the world.

An English poet, Alexander Pope remarks, "Fools rush in where angels fear to tread"
 
When  a baby  cries, a mother's initial reaction is to stuff him/her a bottle of milk. But this isnt always the case when grown up people cry or is it?


"tensions have grown due to inaction."

We cant just rule out that some people have pent up emotions caused by their frustrations and depressions in their own personal/family l lives. It's the organization that was used as a shock absorber and a medium of  exhaling discontent in their lives (this is a psychological fact).   

"hopefully it continues to lead to further action. unfortunately, as in most arguments of this scale, one side has to take the highroad. between management and workers, its most appropriate that that highroad is taken by management."

Pessimism will get nowhere and so is impatience. 

"...sorry to say that management is more senior than the teachers, and needs to act more mature."

Parameters of  maturity and immaturity arent clearly well-defined here.. and it is well concluded that we couldnt just use words to suit one's personal motive. 

finally could i suggest finding a well-trusted teacher with no ties (perceived or real) to admin, to act as spokesperson for teachers?

The management has already made itself clear that its doors are open and it was never sealed.

What some teachers only fear (if that was what they thought) is their own guilt and fear itself.


this would require teachers meeting IN PRIVATE to discuss and bring concerns ANONOMOUSLY (this is indeed a declaration of fear in its finest)  to that person who would in turn bring them to the attention of the upper-level? (sounds like a child turning tattle tale to his mother; what degree then of maturity is being expressed here?)

"...any inappropriate messages...  were fueled by the same anger and frustration which finally seems to have come to a head last week. "

I dont know if this should be responded with empathy or pity.

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There isnt any meanness that I intend in all the comments that Ive written.

After all, this is just a ripple effect.


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Re: BECI'S UNITY 5 years, 5 months ago #42024

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finger pointing doesn't help. turning the tables saying, "its not my fault, its theirs".

what we need is both sides to say, "we've made mistakes, we're sorry".

administration is not the mother of beci. we are all adults. we should all act mature. admin does have more authority - the power to make decisions. i believe that power is just one reason they should be first to step up, admit mistakes, and fix them. even if just mistakes in communication - no need to jump into policy right away. make it something simple. make it sincere. make it better. let teachers see the sincerity through the steps taken to fix even a simple, yet fundamental, problem.

teachers have the right to be afraid of admin, if that is the feeling they get. if that feeling is wrong, steps should be taken to change the message. and in an effort to take my own advice, i seem to be guilty of miscommunicating in my last post. my feeling at the time of writing was optimistic after certain meetings. any pessimistic tone was miscommunicated.

i think empathy would be an appropriate response.

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finger pointing doesn't help. turning the tables saying, "its not my fault, its theirs".

fingerpointing who?

what we need is both sides to say, "we've made mistakes, we're sorry".

what's the issue?

administration is not the mother of beci.

Correction: It is.

we are all adults. we should all act mature. admin does have more authority - the power to make decisions. i believe that power is just one reason they should be first to step up, admit mistakes, and fix them. even if just mistakes in communication - no need to jump into policy right away. make it something simple. make it sincere. make it better. let teachers see the sincerity through the steps taken to fix even a simple, yet fundamental, problem.

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teachers have the right to be afraid of admin, if that is the feeling they get. if that feeling is wrong, steps should be taken to change the message.

"The management has already made itself clear that its doors are open and it was never sealed."
                     -based on the posted message dated dec.07

Besides, on recent held meetings with the teachers, the management had already shared comments (minus the barbs) and hopes for a better team building.  


and in an effort to take my own advice, i seem to be guilty of miscommunicating in my last post. my feeling at the time of writing was optimistic after certain meetings. any pessimistic tone was miscommunicated.

i think empathy would be an appropriate response.

True.

But remember that it's takes time for flowers to bloom so patience is really a virtue.

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