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LABOR AND CAPITAL 5 years, 2 months ago #47797

In school I've learned that labor and capital goes hand in hand. Without the other, the other will not function. An organized atmosphere between the employees and its employer(s) should be met with utmost care. What happens when one administrator decides for the whole without an apparent dialogue between the employees? In my opinion, things become too biased. I believe that a bargaining chip is necessary to arrange and put a resolution towards the implementation of certain policies inside the workplace. I am not suggesting a labor union, but that would be nice isn't it? All im trying to say is that a certain group of employees should be organized to become the voice of the whole workforce to air both the employees' grievances and their interests and a mediator between the administration and its employees' on the company's plans and interests.

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In school I've learned that labor and capital goes hand in hand. Without the other, the other will not function. An organized atmosphere between the employees and its employer(s) should be met with utmost care. What happens when one administrator decides for the whole without an apparent dialogue between the employees? In my opinion, things become too biased. I believe that a bargaining chip is necessary to arrange and put a resolution towards the implementation of certain policies inside the workplace. I am not suggesting a labor union, but that would be nice isn't it?
All im trying to say is that a certain group of employees should be organized to become the voice of the whole workforce to air both the employees' grievances and their interests and a mediator between the administration and its employees' on the company's plans and interests.


But wouldn't it be better for a disgruntled employee, for argument's sake, to just leave?

Nobody's indispensable. Everybody is replaceable. It's plain as rice.

If one doesn't like the system, then he/she better go out of the system than whine about it.

There are many avenues of opportunities outside one's sphere.
 
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In school I've learned that labor and capital goes hand in hand. Without the other, the other will not function. An organized atmosphere between the employees and its employer(s) should be met with utmost care. What happens when one administrator decides for the whole without an apparent dialogue between the employees? In my opinion, things become too biased. I believe that a bargaining chip is necessary to arrange and put a resolution towards the implementation of certain policies inside the workplace. I am not suggesting a labor union, but that would be nice isn't it?
All im trying to say is that a certain group of employees should be organized to become the voice of the whole workforce to air both the employees' grievances and their interests and a mediator between the administration and its employees' on the company's plans and interests.












Whats wrong with voicing the opinions of employees through a group? As I'm sure you know employees feel safer that way. Then they don't get labeled "trouble-maker" etc. Happy workers are more productive. "If you've got a problem go somewhere else" is counter-productive, lowering the morale of workers. If you truly value your employees problems should be aired and solutions found.

But wouldn't it be better for a disgruntled employee, for argument's sake, to just leave?

Nobody's indispensable. Everybody is replaceable. It's plain as rice.

If one doesn't like the system, then he/she better go out of the system than whine about it.

There are many avenues of opportunities outside one's sphere.
   

I'm so amazingly clever that I often have to give up trying to understand what I'm saying.

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In school I've learned that labor and capital goes hand in hand. Without the other, the other will not function. An organized atmosphere between the employees and its employer(s) should be met with utmost care. What happens when one administrator decides for the whole without an apparent dialogue between the employees? In my opinion, things become too biased. I believe that a bargaining chip is necessary to arrange and put a resolution towards the implementation of certain policies inside the workplace. I am not suggesting a labor union, but that would be nice isn't it?
All im trying to say is that a certain group of employees should be organized to become the voice of the whole workforce to air both the employees' grievances and their interests and a mediator between the administration and its employees' on the company's plans and interests.


But wouldn't it be better for a disgruntled employee, for argument's sake, to just leave?

Nobody's indispensable. Everybody is replaceable. It's plain as rice.

If one doesn't like the system, then he/she better go out of the system than whine about it.

There are many avenues of opportunities outside one's sphere.
   

Whats wrong with voicing the opinions of employees through a group?

Im not saying there's something wrong about voiceing one's opinion? What is annoying sometimes is how certain concerns are voiced out? Of course, some employees think about their concerns only but rarely do they put themselves into the shoes of the employer..

There is such things as win-win situations, you know.  But how could employers  do that if other employees are just looking at one-sided mirrors.

Hence, certain problems are not anymore coming from the employers but from the employees themselves.


As I'm sure you know employees feel safer that way.

Arent they "safe" enough? with all the benefits and incentives being showered to them?

Then they don't get labeled "trouble-maker" etc.

I dont think there was ever a labelling done  unless they themselved thought themselves to be.

Happy workers are more productive.

sure.

"If you've got a problem go somewhere else" is counter-productive,

This is the statement of an abused employer or an employer who just had it and became fed  up by those self-righteous employees ....

lowering the morale of workers

Not lowering the moral... it's called  reality if workers don't discipline themselves. .

If you truly value your employees problems should be aired and solutions found.

This is being done,  and in fact has already been done.

The management is aware of  the principles.



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Re: LABOR AND CAPITAL 4 years, 12 months ago #55974

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Reality? Ok I'll tell you what's reality...

In reality there are a million and one cases that can and will proper if filed to the proper tribunal against companies. No company is an exception since these companies get more when they violate these labor provisions.

Divide and conquer... that's the principle that companies adopt... They feed others more so they can get their favor and abuse the less fortunate ones.

There are labor cases pending now... all of them meritorious... the only thing that's keeping employees from filing a labor case is the thought that the company became a part of them...

Don't push it too much... Reality suggests that the employees were abused... I have the data to prove it. How about you? What are you working on? What's your reality based on?

Re: LABOR AND CAPITAL 4 years, 12 months ago #56158

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Reality? Ok I'll tell you what's reality...

In reality there are a million and one cases that can and will proper if filed to the proper tribunal against companies.

I can't understand this sentence.

No company is an exception since these companies get more when they violate these labor provisions.

Divide and conquer... that's the principle that companies adopt..

Your political science or sociology courses must have fed you with this principle more than you can chew.

... They feed others more so they can get their favor and abuse the less fortunate ones.

you should see everything below the tip of the iceberg.

There are labor cases pending now... all of them meritorious... the only thing that's keeping employees from filing a labor case is the thought that the company became a part of them...

Don't push it too much... 

(ever heard of cause and effect? there must have been a pull first before a push occurs..this means  the management doesnt necessarily impose something without some kind of a catalyst...  )

Reality suggests that the employees were abused... I have the data to prove it.

I know.  Tons of articles and cases  recounting the ordeals of asian laborers have already been said and exposed. 
 
How about you? What are you working on? What's your reality based on?


management through social construction..  iL post details later..



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Re: LABOR AND CAPITAL 4 years, 11 months ago #56321

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is this the same meancreek who was arguing in favor of anonymity?

didn't someone bring up the "love it or leave it" thing before? i think i replied something to the effect of if you really love something you'd try to fix it.

of course there are duties and responsibilities on both sides. i forgot which papal encyclical that was in. but its a big part of the catholic labor movement (which given the prominence of the church in other legal matters its surprising that its not implemented more in labor).

how better to hammer out the details of what are the duties and what are the responsibilities than by having it organized in groups?

wouldn't it be too difficult to have a group of people all submitting similar but slightly different complaints. how could you fix all of them. how much easier would it be to let those with problems get together, state it simply and concisely, then submit one complaint on behalf of the many? in my opinion its possible to remedy the one complaint, and nearly impossible to remedy so many all slightly different complaints.

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is this the same meancreek who was arguing in favor of anonymity?

didn't someone bring up the "love it or leave it" thing before? i think i replied something to the effect of if you really love something you'd try to fix it.

of course there are duties and responsibilities on both sides  (Thank you for citing this). i forgot which papal encyclical that was in. but its a big part of the catholic labor movement (which given the prominence of the church in other legal matters its surprising that its not implemented more in labor).

how better to hammer out the details of what are the duties and what are the responsibilities than by having it organized in groups?

wouldn't it be too difficult to have a group of people all submitting similar but slightly different complaints. how could you fix all of them. how much easier would it be to let those with problems get together, state it simply and concisely, then submit one complaint on behalf of the many? in my opinion its possible to remedy the one complaint, and nearly impossible to remedy so many all slightly different complaints.

hence, the appointment of head teachers.

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Re: LABOR AND CAPITAL 4 years, 11 months ago #56502

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Reality? Ok I'll tell you what's reality...

In reality there are a million and one cases that can and will proper if filed to the proper tribunal against companies.

I can't understand this sentence.

No company is an exception since these companies get more when they violate these labor provisions.

Divide and conquer... that's the principle that companies adopt..

Your political science or sociology courses must have fed you with this principle more than you can chew.

... They feed others more so they can get their favor and abuse the less fortunate ones.

you should see everything below the tip of the iceberg.

There are labor cases pending now... all of them meritorious... the only thing that's keeping employees from filing a labor case is the thought that the company became a part of them...

Don't push it too much... 

(ever heard of cause and effect? there must have been a pull first before a push occurs..this means  the management doesnt necessarily impose something without some kind of a catalyst...  )

Reality suggests that the employees were abused... I have the data to prove it.

I know.  Tons of articles and cases  recounting the ordeals of asian laborers have already been said and exposed. 
 
How about you? What are you working on? What's your reality based on?


management through social construction..  iL post details later..






erratum:

proper = prosper

Meancreek what do you mean? I can't actually collate what you are saying to form one concrete idea. You shoot random comments... what is their purpose? Make a stand... what are you reasoning for? Our side is clear... how about you?

One more sad reality... People should prove that they deserve things... The bad thing actually is some people get what they have because of ass kissing... That's such a pathetic way to work your way to the top... I know many people like these... they cloth their mediocrity or being lame by ass kissing...

Do you have any idea what's below the iceberg? Have you seen it? hahahaha

Re: LABOR AND CAPITAL 4 years, 11 months ago #57373

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hence, the appointment of head teachers.



yea, head teachers may quite possibly the best idea that's come from beci. any plans to use them to review and clarify specific responsibilites and rights of teachers? it would be a long process but the involvement could be good. perhaps subgroup into smaller groups of maybe 6 teachers or so for ease of discussion?
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