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Religious & Philosophic Corner 5 years, 8 months ago #27319

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The thread, "The Bible Corner" & "The Islamic Corner"might seem "heavy reading" for some, and I know there are many different "philosophic / religions" like Baha'i, Buddhism, Christianity, Confucianism, Hinduism, Islam, Jainism, Judaism, Shinto, Sikhism, Taoism, Zoroastrianism e.t.c, so maybe a thread that are open for everything between "Heaven and Earth" would be useful?


Online Bible on Tagalog is available at BibleGateway.com
Online translation of The Holy Qur'an is available at University of Virginia

Info about Islam can be found here.
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[center][b]RELIGIOUS TERMINOLOGY:
"Fundamentalism" in Christianity & Islam[/b][/center]

The term "Fundamentalist."
One of the most controversial religious terms in North America is "fundamentalist."

Within academic circles, the term is generally used in a precise manner. For example, Author Karen Armstrong defines fundamentalist movements as "embattled forms of spirituality, which have emerged as a response to a perceived crisis" - namely the fear that modernity will erode or even eradicate their faith and morality. 1 That concern is shared by Fundamentalist Christians, Jews, and Muslims, Sikhs, and others.

Within Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and other faiths, the media generally use the term to refer to the most conservative wing of the religion. For example, fundamentalist Christianity is often described as the most conservative wing of Evangelicalism.

However, sometimes the term is used as a general-purpose "snarl" word which is intended to denigrate a religious group, implying that they are intolerant or prone to violence.

Fundamentalism in Christianity:
In Christianity, the term fundamentalism is normally used to refer to the conservative part of evangelical Christianity, which is itself the most conservative wing of Protestant Christianity. Fundamentalist Christians typically believe that the Bible is inspired by God and is inerrant. They reject modern analysis of the Bible as a historical document written by authors who were attempting to promote their own evolving spiritual beliefs. Rather, they view the bible as the Word of God, internally consistent, and free of error.

The term "Fundamentalist" derives from a 1909 publication "The Fundamentals: A testimony to the truth" which proposed five required Christian beliefs for those opposed to the Modernist movement.

Originally a technical theological term, it became commonly used after the "Scopes" trial in Tennessee during the mid 1920s. Dayton, Tennessee in 1925. John Scopes, a high school biology teacher was on trial for contravening the state's Butler Act. It forbade the teaching of "any theory that denies the story of the Divine Creation of man as taught in the Bible, and to teach instead that man has descended from a lower order of animals."  Although Scopes was found guilty, many felt that he had won a moral victory.

By the late 1930's Christian fundamentalists had formed a sub-culture and had largely withdrawn from the rest of society. Following major revisions to Roman Catholic beliefs and practices during the Vatican II conferences in the 1960's, the term "fundamentalist" started to be used to refer to Catholics who rejected the changes, and wished to retain traditional beliefs and practices. Thus it became a commonly used word to describe the most conservative groups within Christianity: both Protestant and Catholic.

Back in the 1960's many theologians and historians expected that religions would become less conservative and generally weaker with time. That did not happen. Instead, the fundamentalist wings of major world religions, including Buddhism, Christianity, Confucianism, Hinduism, Islam, Judaism, Sikhism, have grown and become increasingly dedicated to preserving religious tradition. Karen Armstrong has addressed Fundamentalism in Christianity, Islam and Judaism in her book: "The Battle for God."

In the U.S., the Fundamentalist-led Moral Majority emerged to challenge social and religious beliefs and practices. Today, Fundamentalists are the most vocal group, on a per-capital basis -- who oppose abortion access, equal rights for homosexuals, same-sex marriage, protection  for homosexuals from hate crimes, physician assisted suicide, the use of embryonic stem cells for medical research, comprehensive sex-ed classes in public schools, etc.

The Assemblies of God is one Fundamentalist denomination. The Southern Baptist Convention has moved towards fundamentalism in recent years. Bob Jones University, the General Association of Regular Baptists, the Moody Bible Institute, etc.are also Fundamentalist. Among the most generally known Fundamentalist Christian leaders are Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and Hal Lindsey.

Fundamentalism in Islam:
The term Fundamentalist has been extensively misused by the media to refer to terrorists who happen to be Muslim, or who are anti-American Muslims. This is not accurate. Fundamentalist Islam is simply the conservative wing of Islam, just as fundamentalist Christianity is the conservative wing of Christianity. The vast majority of Muslmi fundamentalists are pious individuals who strictly follow the teachings of Mohammed, promote regular attendance at mosques, and promote the reading of the Qur'an. Many promote the concept of theocratic government, in which Sharia (Islamic law) becomes the law of the state. Most probably view the West as secular, ungodly, decadent and obsessed with sex.

Most Middle Eastern terrorists are probably fundamentalist Muslims, but they share little with their fellow fundamentalists. They represent an extremist, radical wing of fundamentalist Islam, which is composed of people who believe that the Islamic state must be imposed on the people from above, using violent action if necessary. This movement is fueled by social, religious, and economic stressors in many of the Muslim countries: lack of democracy; autocratic, unelected political leaders; millions of Palestinian refugees, extreme wealth for a minority, and often extreme poverty for most of the public; poor human rights records; high unemployment. Perhaps the greatest stressor of all is the Israeli-Palestinian conflict which has lasted over five decades. It is fueling much of the anger, instability, unrest, distrust, hostility, and feelings of victimization in the region.  The U.S. is viewed as favoring and supporting Israel. They have given over three billion dollars a year in military and economic aid to Israel. The lack of a peace settlement, the continuing expansion of Jewish settlements in occupied lands, the status of the Dome of the Rock at the Temple Mount in Jerusalem -- the third most sacred spot in Islam -- and the status of the Muslim section of the city of Jerusalem are major flash points. Another stressor is the past presence of many American troops in Saudi-Arabia; this was seen by many radical Fundamentalist Muslims as a desecration of holy ground. The two most sacred places in Islam -- Mecca and Medina -- are located in that country. Although the U.S. has come to the assistance of oppressed Muslims as in Bosnia-Herzegovina and Kuwait, anti-American feelings are running high because of the invasion on Iraq.

Michael Youssef is a Evangelical Christian who was born in Egypt. He described the extremist radical terrorist wing as believing that the world is divided into two sections: The House of Islam and the House of War. The former is composed of all devouted Muslims. The latter is composed of the other five billion humans on earth with which the extremist radicals are in a state of total war.
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....the differences and similarities of bible and qur'an?
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Re: The Religious Corner Q & A 5 years, 8 months ago #27748

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....the differences and similarities of bible and qur'an?


allah, mohamed

God, Jesus

the content ? almost the same...

have to read that quran though ahihihihi
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Re: The Religious Corner Q & A 5 years, 8 months ago #27755

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....the differences and similarities of bible and qur'an?
This is a tricky one, coz it would take a lot of time to go into all of it, but if you are interested try to have a look at The Islam and Christianity Website
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Re: The Religious Corner Q & A 5 years, 8 months ago #27854

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....the concept of jihad(holy war) does it has something to do with the so called "terrorism"?
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....the concept of jihad(holy war) does it has something to do with the so called "terrorism"?
Contrary to popular belief, jihad is not holy war, but rather a struggle within oneself. Many Muslims struggle with "jihad" without knowing its real meaning.

Certain groups, such as Islamic Jihad, misuse and co-opt the term as a "holy war," Imam Mohamad Joban of the Islamic Center of Olympia said, calling the definition an inaccurate simplification of a complex term.

Approximately fourteen hundred years ago, Prophet Muhammad, the last in the line of the prophets of Islam, received revelation from God known as the Qur'an, which is the Final Testament. He came with a message of peace and reconciliation, mercy and compassion. Yet, ever since the beginning of the call of Islam, its image and that of Muslims has been subject to distortion, misconceptions, and misinterpretations.

In our age, the media plays a crucial role in that distortion. Islam is given a sinister image. A word that is often negatively associated with certain acts of violence is the Arabic word jihad. Its significance plays an extremely crucial role in the image of Islam.

Jihad indeed has a great significance in Islam. In order to understand the word we have to start with the lexical meaning. Like any language, Arabic has unique words that have a particular meaning that cannot be accurately translated. The best translation known for jihad is "a sincere and noticeable effort (for good); an all-true and unselfish striving for spiritual goodness."

ihad: Striving for Goodness and Righteousness:
Jihad, as presented in the Qur'an implies the striving towards the ideal. This jihad, particularly involves change in one's self and mentality. It may concern the sacrifice of material property, social class constraints, and even emotional comfort, solely for, salvation and the worship of God alone. As a result, one who practices jihad will gain inward peace in this world and reward in the hereafter.

The Qur'an says what means

*{The Hereafter is far better for you than this first [life].}* ( Ad-Duha 4:93)

Also, the Qur'an says what means

*{Say: “O my people, do your best, and so will I. You will surely find out who the ultimate victors are.” Certainly, the wicked will never succeed.}*( Al-An`am 6:135)

Jihad involves noticeable effort for righteousness. This means that the effort concentrated in jihad is a step in the true and ultimate path of Islam: the effort addressed to the benefit of one's self. Thus, jihad on this level is individual and self-centered. It aims at purification of the soul. This effort is simply doing good and seeking divine mercy and the pardon of Allah.

The Qur'an points this out by saying what means

*{ The day will come when every soul will serve as its own advocate, and every soul will be paid fully for whatever it had done, without the least injustice.}* (An-Nahl 16:11)

Also:

*{The day will come when each soul will find all the good works it had done brought forth. As for the evil works, it will wish that they were far, far removed. God alerts you that you shall reverence Him alone. God is Compassionate towards the people.}* (Aal `Imran 3:30)

In respect to the above Qur'anic verses, God tells the believers that all acts will reflect the soul of their authors. Examples of this jihad would be to exceed in doing sincerely good deeds, frequenting the mosques, studying the scripture in details,
helping the poor and the orphans, standing for people's right for freedom, being equitable, never bearing false witness, staying in good terms with friends and neighbors: etc.) and to restrain from committing sins (adultery, stealing, lying, cheating, insulting people, gossiping, etc.);This is clarified in the Qur'an :

*{As for those who lead a righteous life, male or female, while believing, they enter Paradise; without the slightest injustice.}* ( An-Nisaa' 4:124)

The previous Qur'anic verse highlights the meaning of jihad and its role. It has also mentioned the importance of the sincerity when it is practiced. Jihad puts emphasis on the individual accountability and the weight of the individual striving in man’s relation with Allah.

Jihad and Justice:
Jihad also includes striving for and establishing justice. Before someone can strive for justice in their community, justice must be one of their main religious and moral principles.

Jihad may also reflect the position of Islam regarding crisis management and enforcement of humanitarian international laws. Fighting a war in the name of justice or Islam - to deter an aggressor, for self-defense, or to establish justice and freedom to practice religion - would also be considered jihad.

The Qur'an says what means

*{You shall strive for the cause of God as you should strive for His cause.}* (Al-Hajj 22:78)


The previous Qur'anic verse incites man to strive in the cause of God. The cause of God is justice and freedom for all, maintaining the Qur'anic principle *{No compulsion in religion}* (Al-Baqarah 2:256).

The Qur'an also says what means

*{As for those who lead a righteous life, male or female, while believing, they enter Paradise; without the slightest injustice.}* (An-Nisaa' 4:124)

*{Never indeed, by your Lord; they are not believers unless they come to you to judge in their disputes, then find no hesitation in their hearts whatsoever in accepting your judgment. They must submit a total submission.}* (An-Nisaa' 4:65)

*{O you who believe, you shall be absolutely equitable, and observe God, when you serve as witnesses, even against yourselves, or your parents, or your relatives. Whether the accused is rich or poor, God takes care of both. Therefore, do not be biased by your personal wishes. If you deviate or disregard [this commandment], then God is Fully Cognizant of everything you do.}* (An-Nisaa' 4:135)

Since this verse shows that God accepts only justice, fighting in the name of God is fighting in the name of justice. But, contrary to many people's interpretation, jihad is anything but a "holy" war.

In the light and essence of Islam and the Qur'an, there is no war that is holy; under any circumstances whatsoever. In fact, the whole text of the Qur'an and the religion of Islam revolve around the concept of peace, not war. To many people's ignorance, Islam is also a word that share the same root of the Arabic word salam, meaning "peace". According to Islam, war is unholy; jihad must mean anything but "holy" war.

However, there are times, in certain circumstances, when Islam tolerates, permits and sometimes even requires the practice of war. Islam strongly emphasizes the ideas of justice, freedom, and opposition to oppression. There is also another condition, which is fighting for the sake of self-defense. War is tolerated in these conditions, but if there is a possibility to avoid war, then this opportunity, as long as it is for the just cause, must be seized.

The Qur'an says what means

*{You shall prepare for them all the power you can muster, and all the equipment you can mobilize, that you may frighten the enemies of GOD, your enemies, as well as others who are not known to you; God knows them. Whatever you spend in the cause of GOD will be repaid to you generously, without the least injustice.
If they resort to peace, so shall you, and put your trust in God. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient.}* (Al-Anfal 8:60-61)

Self-defense involves struggle against oppression, aggression, and tyranny; Islam tolerates the use of force in these cases. The Qur'an says :

*{Permission [to fight] is granted to those who are being persecuted, since injustice has befallen them, and GOD is certainly able to support them [with victory].
They were evicted from their homes unjustly, for no reason other than saying, "Our Lord is God." If it were not for God's supporting of some people against others, monasteries, churches, synagogues, and masjids [mosques] where the name of God is commemorated frequently would have been destroyed. Absolutely, God supports those who support Him. God is Powerful, Almighty.}* (Al-Hajj 22:39-40)

The other condition and perhaps the most important and often confused as a holy war, is the war in the name of God, which actually means in the cause of God.
God does not encourage war, but rather encourages peace whenever possible. Fighting an oppressor or an aggressor is fighting against oppression or aggression, thus it is fighting for justice and therefore in the name (cause) of God. Please seeAl-Baqarah 2:244 and Al-Hajj 22:78.


Also:

*{Those who readily fight in the cause of God are those who forsake this world in favor of the Hereafter. Whoever fights in the cause of God, then gets killed, or attains victory, we will surely grant him a great recompense.
Why should you not fight in the cause of God when weak men, women, and children are imploring: "Our Lord, deliver us from this community whose people are oppressive, and be You our Lord and Master."}* (An-Nisaa' 4:74:75)

Even in times of war, Muslims must respect their adversaries’ humanity. Brutal and barbaric atrocities are prohibited in Islam. Islam condemns barbaric killing of any human being. During military actions, civilians must not be targeted, as long as they do not attack, provoke or share directly in the war. Enemies, even at time of war, must be treated justly. Prisoners of war have basic human rights, stated in shari`aH.

If victory is achieved in any war for justice, then there is to be no oppression, revenge or injustice to the people of the enemy. Nor must there be control over the sources of the wealth of the nation or people, or even establishment of colonial regimes. Justice and freedom must be established. Tolerance towards cultures and peoples is basic, too.

Allah says what means

*{God advocates justice, charity, and regarding the relatives. And He forbids evil, vice, and transgression. He enlightens you, that you may take heed.}* (An-Nahl 16:90)

*{O people, we created you from the same male and female, and rendered you distinct peoples and tribes, that you may recognize one another. The best among you in the sight of God is the most righteous. God is Omniscient, Cognizant.}*(Al-Hujurat 49:13)

In Brief and Allow me to repeat again: the meaning the media gives to this word (jihad) is false. This word does not mean a holy war, for there is nothing holy about a war in Islam. Islam is a religion that revolves around the concept of peace.
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....the concept of jihad(holy war) does it has something to do with the so called "terrorism"?
As far as Islam is concerned, it categorically rejects and condemns every form of terrorism. It does not provide any cover or justification for any act of violence, be it committed by an individual, a group or a government..... I most strongly condemn all acts and forms of terrorism because it is my deeply rooted belief that not only Islam but also no true religion, whatever its name, can sanction violence and bloodshed of innocent men, women and children in the name of God."

CONCEPT OF JIHAD IN ISLAM

Through the actions of some elements, the western world visualizes a wrong concept of Jihad (Holy War). The word Jihad conjures up the vision of a marching band of religious fanatics with savage beards and fiery eyes, brandishing swords and attacking the infidels.

Jihad in Islamic terminology means to make an effort, to endeavour and to strive in a noble way. Over the centuries this meaning of Jihad has been obliterated or at least diluted. The critical juncture in the Islamic world requires reviving and recapturing the true and pristine meaning of Jihad.

Jihad can be divided into two broad categories. First is Jihad-e-akbar. This is Jihad against one's own person to curb sinful inclinations, i.e., purification of self. This is the most difficult Jihad and hence in terms of rewards and blessings is the highest category of Jihad.

The second is Jihad-e-asghar. This is Jihad of the sword. This is communal Jihad and presupposes certain specific conditions. The Quran speaks of fighting only against those who first attack Muslims and this is the very condition laid down in other verses of the Holy Quran as well. The so-called verse of the sword in the Islamic scripture is often taken out of context as if it inculcates an indiscriminate massacre of all unbelievers. The Quranic words such as kill whatever you find them apply only in cases where the enemy has first attacked Muslims and apply to those unbelievers and enemies who break their oaths and firm agreements. They do not apply to unprovoked wars and battles. To interpret these verses in any other manner would be a travesty of the lofty ideals of Islam. There is not a single instance in the life of the Holy Prophet where he offered the alternative of the sword or Islam to anyone.

The Western media and even some scholars sometimes ignore the distinction between these two aspects of Jihad. It must be remembered that the Holy Quran does not make Jihad, the holy war, in context of an article of faith. The sayings and traditions of the Holy Prophet render it into a formula for active struggle that invariably and incorrectly tended towards a militant expression. Modern day terrorism is contrary to the purview of the real spirit of the Islamic Jihad.

The presentation of Islam as a crude and barbaric religion which gives itself the right to cause unwarranted human and material suffering and destruction under the guise of Divine authority, is not the kind of Islam we find in the Holy Quran and in the precepts of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him!)
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...what do muslim believe about jesus?
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...what do muslim believe about jesus?
Islam's  prophet, Muhammad, believed Jesus was the Messiah, Allah's  anointed messenger.  Allah's people (Muslims) are told to listen to Allah's  messengers (Koran,  4.171; 5. 111*).

Allah took Jesus to heaven where he awaits until the day of judgment when he will return to earth  (3,55). Muslim traditions teach that Muhammad died  not knowing  if he would be judged worthy to enter Paradise - where God has already placed Jesus.

Muhammad is Dead and buried in Saudi Arabia.  Jesus is alive both with God in heaven (paradise) and in Spirit with his followers on Earth.  (Koran 3,55;4,158,159)

Muhammad,  Islam's  Prophet, believed Jesus  was sent by Allah  to be the Messiah, miraculously born of the Virgin Mary, who brought the Gospel, who died, was raised from the dead, then ascended into heaven to be with Allah.  Jesus  would become an everlasting blessing to all mankind!

The Koran  tells how Allah  anointed Jesus, through a virgin birth to be the Messiah  - Savior of the world, nearly five hundred and fifty years before Muhammad  was born.

Muslims believe the Koran was written by God and is God's message to all people. If Jesus is what the Koran teaches he is/was, it is impossible for Muhammad to have replaced Jesus. There can be only one Messiah.

Jesus did the Messiah's work (opening heaven) 550 years before Islam's Prophet was born. 

As God's messenger, Jesus explained, simplified, and demonstrated God's will and message, although the Jews did not believe in him.  Jesus' "Good News" - the Gospel - is about God's love and forgiveness for all mankind.  Muhammad's revelations,  recorded in the Koran/Qur'an teach that:

1. Jesus  was sent by Allah, who supported him with the Holy Spirit, to tell the world Allah's  will  (2, 87; 5. 110-117*).

2.  Allah gave to the world Jesus, exalted him above all others, and supported him with the Holy Spirit as proof of his sovereignty  (2, 253*).

3.  Allah caused the miracle birth of John the Baptist to the aged Zechariah and his barren wife so John could be the messenger to announce Jesus as the Messiah (3, 33-41*).

4.  Allah appointed Mary to be the virgin mother of Jesus, the Messiah (3, 42-45; 19, 12-22; 21, 90*).

5.  Jesus would be righteous [sinless] all his life (3, 46; 6, 86; 19, 19*).

6.  Jesus would be raised from the dead (19 33,34*).

7.  Jesus, Messiah and son of Mary, crucified, appeared dead and was taken up my Allah himself (4, 157,158; 3,55*).

8.  Jesus was a messenger of Allah, who is to be believed (4, 171*).

9.  Allah taught Jesus his religion and commanded Jesus to establish it (42, 13; 43, 63*).

10. Allah caused Jesus, son of Mary, to follow [the prophets], gave him the Gospel, and placed compassion and mercy in the hearts of those who followed him (57, 27*)

11.  Allah strengthened the group of Jews who believed Jesus and his message, so they overcame those who disbelieved (61, 14*).

12.  The true message of Jesus and the prophets was perverted by religious leaders who were condemned by Allah (9, 31*).

13.  Long before the Prophet Muhammad,  Allah revealed the Torah and the Gospel for mankind's guidance (3:  3, 4, 48, 65*).

14.  Allah taught Jesus the Scripture and wisdom, and the Torah and the Gospel.  Allah would do miracles through Jesus and make him a messenger to Israel  (3,  48, 49*).

15.  Allah gathered Jesus and caused him to be resurrected and ascended to Allah himself  (3, 55*).

16.  Allah bestowed the Gospel on Jesus to be a light (5, 46*).

17.  Observing the Torah and the Gospel brings nourishment from above (5, 66*).

18.  Those who went astray from Allah's commands were cursed by both David and Jesus (5, 78*).

19.  Allah inspired Jesus' Disciples to believe in Jesus and his message (5, 110*).

20.  Jesus and his Disciples were Allah's helpers (61, 6,14*).

21.  Believe in all that was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received (2, 136*).

22.  The Surrender, al-Islam, is Islam and Muslims are to be surrendered to Allah's will and guidance (3, 19*), [as had been revealed by Jesus.]

Jesus was the Messiah  (the Anointed) who brought the Gospel  - "Good News" to man as God's messenger.  As Messiah, he made it possible for every person to be saved from the Original Sin of separation from God.

JESUS OPENED THE DOOR TO GOD! Jesus freed all people from Torah restrictions and opened our direct prayer line to God.

Those who pray to God are able to only because of what Jesus did for all mankind.  For the first time in history, every person could, and can, pray directly to the one God, creator of all things.  No Temple, priests, rules, dogmas, or liturgies are required for God to care about a person and hear one's prayers. ONLY because of Jesus, Muslims, and all others can talk to God anytime, from anywhere! Few people, and no Muslims, are aware of this historical fact.
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...so you're saying that islam believe that allah sent jesus as what christian do believe....born by virgin mary in a manger, died and was crucified and the third day he rose and ascended to heaven????
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...so you're saying that islam believe that allah sent jesus as what christian do believe....born by virgin mary in a manger, died and was crucified and the third day he rose and ascended to heaven????
Yes, I am. And the verses I refered to is in the Qu'ran.
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...so you're saying that islam believe that allah sent jesus as what christian do believe....born by virgin mary in a manger, died and was crucified and the third day he rose and ascended to heaven????
Yes, I am. And the verses I refered to is in the Qu'ran.



......a contradiction to what you have posted.....muslim believe that jesus was not crucified. it was the plan of jesus' enemies to crucify him, but God saved him and raised him up to Him. and the likeness of jesus was put over another man. Jesus enemies took this man and crucified him, thingking he was jesus...
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...so you're saying that islam believe that allah sent jesus as what christian do believe....born by virgin mary in a manger, died and was crucified and the third day he rose and ascended to heaven????
Yes, I am. And the verses I refered to is in the Qu'ran.



......a contradiction to what you have posted.....muslim believe that jesus was not crucified. it was the plan of jesus' enemies to crucify him, but God saved him and raised him up to Him. and the likeness of jesus was put over another man. Jesus enemies took this man and crucified him, thingking he was jesus...
Sorry for not being precise.
The Bible say that Jesus was given over to the Jews. He was spat on, cut, humiliated, kicked, striped, and finally hung up on the cross and killed very slowly and painfully.

While the Qu'ran say that Jesus, Messiah and son of Mary, crucified, appeared dead and was taken up my Allah himself (4, 157,158; 3,55*).

There are those Muslims who believe that Jesus was not forsaken to the Jews to be abused and killed, however, it was "made to appear so to them." God saved Jesus by raising him up unto Himself.

But the verses in The Qu'ran (4, 157,158; 3,55*) should be clear. Only thing is that The Qu'ran are saying "...appeared dead...".
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Gummy. After looking a bit closer in The Qu'ran, I found this vers that probably cover what you said.

"And for their saying (in boast): 'We killed Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah'; but they killed him not nor crucified him. Only a likeness of that was shown to them. And those who differ therein are full of doubt with no certain knowledge, but only follow mere conjecture, for of a surety they killed him not. But Allah lifted him up to Him, and Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise. And there is none of the people of the Book, but will believe in him before his death, and on the Day of Judgment, he will be a witness against them." (4:157-159)

Ibn Abu Hatim has narrated from Ibn Abbas saying: "'When Allah wanted to lift him up to heaven, Jesus came to his companions in the house. There were twelve people, with some from among his disciples. He had just a bath, and his head was still dribbling with water. He said to them: 'There are those among you who will disbelieve in me twelve times after he had believed in me! Then he said: 'Who will from among you take my likeness and be killed in my place, so will become in my rank?' A young youth came forwards. But Jesus said to him: 'Sit down! Then he repeated the same question, and the same youth stood up and came forwards, and said: ‘I.' Jesus said: 'You are the one,' and then the likeness of Jesus was put on him, and Jesus was lifted up to the heaven from the window of his house.

Jews came looking for him. They took the youth and killed him and then crucified him. Later they became three groups. One group, who are called Jacobites (Yaqubiyah), believe that it was God Himself among them who stayed with them as long as He wanted to, then went back to the heaven. Another group who are called Nestorian (Nasturiyah), believed that it was the son of God who was with them, and stayed among them as long as he wanted, then his father lifted him up. But the group of true believers said that he was the slave of Allah and His Messenger who stayed among them as long as he wanted, then his Lord Allah took him up to Him. The two disbeliever groups collided together against the believer group and killed them, and so real teachings of Islam taught by Jesus became obscure till Allah sent the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).

Sorry for not taking that vers into consideration. :-[
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Re: The Religious Corner Q & A 5 years, 8 months ago #28507

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....what do muslim believe about puting covers esp for women?
...in life there"s only one guarantee<br />you won't always have your feet on the ground<br />...coz we all fall down

Re: The Religious Corner Q & A 5 years, 8 months ago #28587

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....what do muslim believe about puting covers esp for women?
Hmm.. I did not realy understand your question.
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Re: The Religious Corner Q & A 5 years, 8 months ago #28750

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....what do muslim believe about puting covers esp for women?
Hmm.. I did not realy understand your question.



.....ok, why do muslim girls put cover and won't expose their hair...what's the connection in islam?
...in life there"s only one guarantee<br />you won't always have your feet on the ground<br />...coz we all fall down

Re: The Religious Corner Q & A 5 years, 8 months ago #28758

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....what do muslim believe about puting covers esp for women?
Hmm.. I did not realy understand your question.



.....ok, why do muslim girls put cover and won't expose their hair...what's the connection in islam?
I think I posted about it in "The Islamic Corner" under The Veil Unveiled - The True Status of Women in Islam
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....what do muslim believe about puting covers esp for women?
Hmm.. I did not realy understand your question.



.....ok, why do muslim girls put cover and won't expose their hair...what's the connection in islam?
I think I posted about it in "The Islamic Corner" under The Veil Unveiled - The True Status of Women in Islam


...ok, too long to read...hehehe... :smitten:
...in life there"s only one guarantee<br />you won't always have your feet on the ground<br />...coz we all fall down

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